KGB, this is a ladies' watch come on did you think it could be a men's watch? :) jkash, won't repeat myself as the point clearly is not getting across, so no use, really :) Still, I reserve my right to call things cheap if I think so :) Note, things - not people, if you properly read what I wrote, which you of course didn't, but I don't really care anyway. Should I not say what I want to say just not to offend you or anyone, well dude, I have more important things to worry about than offending anyone here :) Also, I didn't get offended at all, mostly because I don't care or need anyone approving or disapproving what is said, doesn't matter in the big picture of things :) I just like some things, you like others, who cares after all. Also, Putin's watch really has nothing to do with Putin's actions, personality and history - point is that the watch is nice. Kinda of irrelevant to personal attitude toward Putin.

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Originally posted by Alex: KGB, this is a ladies' watch come on did you think it could be a men's watch? :) jkash, won't repeat myself as the point clearly is not getting across, so no use, really :) Still, I reserve my right to call things cheap if I think so :) Note, things - not people, if you properly read what I wrote, which you of course didn't, but I don't really care anyway. Should I not say what I want to say just not to offend you or anyone, well dude, I have more important things to worry about than offending anyone here :) Also, I didn't get offended at all, mostly because I don't care or need anyone approving or disapproving what is said, doesn't matter in the big picture of things :) I just like some things, you like others, who cares after all. Also, Putin's watch really has nothing to do with Putin's actions, personality and history - point is that the watch is nice. Kinda of irrelevant to personal attitude toward Putin.

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You have 5 stars under your name. That makes you a 5-star general on this web site. That must count for something? :-) "Aren't there any good Tsaritsas left...?"

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Originally posted by GoodBoy: Timepieces, hand made or machine belt, don't care, as long as it looks good (to me), has practical utilization/design, Titanium, and never requires replacement of a battery or winding (bothers me) ;) Those are mine requirements, and looks like this is of them: http://www.ewatches.com/Citizen/AV0021-52H.html although, I think, it'll be too big on my wrist. <my $0.02> *Good*Boy*

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GoodBoy, winding is a thing of the long-gone past - vast majority of non-quartz watches have automatic winding mechanism which works from the movement of your arms when walking etc. - kind of like that Seiko Kinetic thing, it winds the actual spring inside, and is usually enough to work for 48 hours without wearing. You can still manually wind it, but not needed. Seiko actually came out recently with a pretty cool automatic mechanism with electronic calibration, increasing the accuracy greatly, a combination of technology and automatic movement. Anyway, I'm gone from this topic as I don't want to engage in pointless discussions - watches, tastes, interests and all other things are a matter of personal preference, so no point in saying anything or responding to irrelevant conclusions and personal attacks from those who don't get the point and see what they want to see, especially the dumb posts of "psycho-analysis", Bobrik this is seriously among the dumbest posts I've seen in a while. Please don't try to apply your classes you took "last year" in a mediocre attempt at creating a sharp post, so just don't do it, doesn't do you any service except for a high degree of lameness.

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Also, Putin's watch really has nothing to do with Putin's actions, personality and history - point is that the watch is nice. Kinda of irrelevant to personal attitude toward Putin.

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If Putin has nothing to do with the watch, then just say nice watch :) , but what do Bush and Putin have to do with it?

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And no, your success is definitely not defined by what you wear on your wrist, but your taste sure is ;) Look at Bush with his American flag Timex, and Putin with a Patek Philippe masterpiece.

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You are comparing tastes, so what are you saying that Putin has better taste than Bush? or that he spends thousands of $$$ of his hard-earned KGB paycheck on luxury items when his country is swimming in sh*t? :) what are you saying, dude?

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Last post :) GoodBoy, this is a perfectly cool sports watch, but probably not something you'd put on your wrist for a business dinner or in a nightclub, right? If you like Citizen and want a coolness upgrade some time - check out Sinn watches, very cool these days :) Hehe, no snobbery accusations please. I am gone NOW! :)

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Sure I am saying Putin has better taste, and I do like the way he looks and behaves himself in public, at least from the public appearances and observations. Also, he is definitely more intelligent, well-rounded and far better at expressing his thoughts and conversing in a sharp, assertive manner, which one can argue has a definite influence on taste. I think in general you can find a correlation between the level of development of person's cognitive and verbal abilities, IQ, and taste. Not always applicable, of course, but you can see what I mean. Interesting, if there has been a study like that in psychology. Bobrik (not bobik3000), if you took any classes on this let me know ;) Bush is a hopeless mess by any standard. BTW, Bush family $$$ is not coming from the cleanest sources either you'd think (think Saudi oil, Carlyle, etc.). But that's a whole other story. This is about watches anyway, why politics YET AGAIN :) Well, now I am out for sure :)

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:) This all is not to say that I definitely approve of Putin's actions - we are abstracting the style/taste topic here, not his policies. Although, to be noted, objectively there has been progress in many economy areas in Russia, as well as social aspects. Of course, much of the money for the improvements is flowing in from the oil exports at high prices, unfortunately, but economy is getting diversified, too, to the extent of current abilities and opportunities. You can't just make a blanket statement that Putin is a bad guy and that's it. There have been a lot, really a lot of improvements lately, at least can't compare to Yeltsin's times of anarchy. More can be done, sure, but at least it's moving ahead. I know I know, the whole media independence and freedom of speech thing, etc. - but think about the extremely high support rating (hovering at about 70-80%, unprecedented), that has to stem from structural improvements, you can't just rig and fake these numbers, his course is approved by vast majority. You can't think 80% of people are brainwashed and dumb - they just see everyday improvements and vote for that. Yes - if oil prices tumble it'll be another disaster for Russia the way economy is right now, but it is getting diversified and moving forward in more areas than oil and gas. Yes - there are many shady and evil deeds, as there are in any government. Can you imagine how things would be in Russia if there was another Yeltsin? Don't think Russia's economy could handle another complete anarchist like that. Yes, Yeltsin did great things, too, introducing certain democracy values and institutes of power, he was a great starter and shock therapist, but things needed to stabilize and improve. Russia would've fallen apart, and that's definitely not something anyone would want. Just had to say it, that's all

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OK, since the last post was directed at my comments, let me answer it. I did not make any comments about his policies, good or bad, I just mentioned that he is wearing a $100K watch that maybe not beyond the means of Russia's president. Never mind that fact, it was probably a gift from appreciative workers of some DonBassPomTexMex factory to their country's leader. Yes, I agree that Bush's family fortune did not come from cleanest sources, actually at the time the Saudis were US "friends", but that's his family business. What is Putin's family business? I don't know, but it looks like he is getting very wealthy off of it. See, success measure it by his watch 50 posts ago when this topic was actually about watches :) blah blah As far as Putin's approval rating, you could say it's high, or you could say that it's low but then you would get your ass beat with a police baton and get thrown in jail, so why even say something? And you are the one who brought politics into this topic comparing Bush to Putin, nobody else did it :) Now I am out :) see how easy it is

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:) I said personal taste, not success, would be measured by what you wear, watch is an example, but doesn't have to be. One can be wildly successful and not even care about taste and be perfectly happy and live a full exciting life, wouldn't matter, and wouldn't be a bad thing either, just life, right. Taste is a highly subjective and capricious matter anyway, but there are overall concepts of elegance and aesthetics, and while fashion for one brand or another may change, overall sense of something being "pleasurable to the eyes" or repulsive and off-beat still exists. And sorry, for a nation's leader to wear a watch with an American flag dial - that's short of laughable, and by any stretched standard tasteless. Putin was mentioned in contrast because he does have a nice watch that is neither overly lavish nor can be deemed unfit, a watch that is very respectable and in line with his status. Just a comparison that came to mind, not to be obsessed over. It could've been Bill Clinton or Jacques Chirac or Tony Blair - have no idea what they wear, but sure not a French or English flag watches. I just saw a picture of Putin somewhere with that Patek of his highly distinguishable, so mentioned it :) And I said I am not fully in support of Putin's policies, I mentioned I liked his personal presence and overall intelligence, one can like certain traits or aspects of a person and disapprove of his policies. I know I was the one pulling in a comparison here, but it was not meant to be over-the-top or written for a targeted discussion, just something that kind of stood out. So let's leave it at that and let this thread continue on topic or die in peace :)

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OK, back on topic.... If you can afford to live in Moscow, then you can afford one of these watches. I figure save a little money and buy a 'pre-owned' watch: http://www.ermitagejewelers.com/scgi-bin/list.php?ctg=7&pg=1 I took a hard look, and I still like my watch better than any of these. :-) "Aren't there any good Tsaritsas left...?"

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I've always thought Rolex is the watch people get when they come into a lot of money, have no knowledge of watches, and just want to get something flashy. Like black rappers with their gold teeth - they like Rolex. Don't get me wrong, Rolex is a great watch and seems to be very respected here in the US, but in Europe, it's considered sorta crude....tasteless in comparison to Cartier, Patek Philippe, etc.

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Originally posted by IntensityInsanity: I've always thought Rolex is the watch people get when they come into a lot of money, have no knowledge of watches, and just want to get something flashy. Like black rappers with their gold teeth - they like Rolex. Don't get me wrong, Rolex is a great watch and seems to be very respected here in the US, but in Europe, it's considered sorta crude....tasteless in comparison to Cartier, Patek Philippe, etc.

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The other issue is that some of these watches have been so copied by the counterfieters that seeing a real one still makes me think 'cheap'. For example, for a gag gift somebody gave me a fake Cartier. I saw the real one online, and I'm sure if I held it in my hand it would be heavy and well made, but just seeing the picture of the real one, after seeing a fake, makes it unappealing. The original post for this topic, I believe, was for fake chinese reproductions of these real watches. The result is total brand erosion for nice watches like Rolex and Cartier. I would never pay top dollar for a watch anyway, but for those that do, the average person can't tell if it's a fake or real - so the snob effect has been lost. Same goes for all those fancy Channel purses you can now get dirt cheap from China. Total brand erosion of the snob brands. Just like Wal-mart has helped create a bigger middle class from the bottom up (making every day goods affordable at lowest cost), the Chinese replications of snob brands has brought the the snob brands top-down into the middle class. "Aren't there any good Tsaritsas left...?"

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All the best things are copied...so what you're saying is that you'll never own a ferrari/Lamborghini, ANY nice watch, etc...because all those things have replicas made of them....so what does that matter? Based on your posts it seems like you would wear a watch only for others to see you wear it. From your post it's easy to extrapolate that. If I was wrong, then you wouldn't care about replicas, because you'd know that yours is real. Right? By the way, replicas are not that hard to spot. I've seen $200 fake Cartier/Rolex watches and they look like shit.

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I think the Chinese would have a tough time replicating a Ferrari. The wheels would fall off. They are OK at uncomplicated reproductions, but their quality control sucks. As I said in my original post regarding a watch, I'm most interested in value. That means the best watch (both in quality and looks) at the best price. I'm a value shopper. I don't really care if a stranger looks at my watch or not. Who cares what strangers think. But if somebody I know, or if this website in general, is looking for a good value, then yeah, take a look and if you like it then get it. If not....keep shopping. "Aren't there any good Tsaritsas left...?"

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